alt.anything

[Sn!pe]

Please add alt.anything [xposted from e-s.talk]
[...]

Also, "alt.anything" does not exist on Eternal-September newsserver.
This suggests that it has not been properly newgrouped. I note that
the OP is by a TOR user on Paganini newsservice; perhaps rules are
less strict on that service.

Maybe they were proposing a new ng?

nah, it exists, I think I get it from Solani.

Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests. If it's genuine
I'm pretty sure Ray would add it. In fact, I'll xpost this to there.

[Kyonshi]

Post by Sn!pe
Please add alt.anything [xposted from e-s.talk]
[...]

Also, "alt.anything" does not exist on Eternal-September newsserver.
This suggests that it has not been properly newgrouped. I note that
the OP is by a TOR user on Paganini newsservice; perhaps rules are
less strict on that service.

Maybe they were proposing a new ng?

nah, it exists, I think I get it from Solani.

Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests. If it's genuine
I'm pretty sure Ray would add it. In fact, I'll xpost this to there.

well, I don't know how "genuine" it is actually, but it doesn't seem to
be something recent. A current thread on there was started by an aioe
user (four years ago...)

[yeti]

Post by Sn!pe
Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests.

=b d=

Let's just give it some defibrillator doses and maybe the parts that are
disturbing the serious tests in e-s.test can migrate over there.

[David Dalton]

Post by Kyonshi

Please add alt.anything [xposted from e-s.talk]
[...]

Also, "alt.anything" does not exist on Eternal-September newsserver.
This suggests that it has not been properly newgrouped. I note that
the OP is by a TOR user on Paganini newsservice; perhaps rules are
less strict on that service.

Maybe they were proposing a new ng?

nah, it exists, I think I get it from Solani.

Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests. If it's genuine
I'm pretty sure Ray would add it. In fact, I'll xpost this to there.

well, I don't know how "genuine" it is actually, but it doesn't seem to
be something recent. A current thread on there was started by an aioe
user (four years ago...)

There is also misc.misc, and I think years ago there
used to be a newsgroups simply called general.

[sticks]

Post by David Dalton

Post by Kyonshi

Please add alt.anything [xposted from e-s.talk]
[...]

Also, "alt.anything" does not exist on Eternal-September newsserver.
This suggests that it has not been properly newgrouped. I note that
the OP is by a TOR user on Paganini newsservice; perhaps rules are
less strict on that service.

Maybe they were proposing a new ng?

nah, it exists, I think I get it from Solani.

Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests. If it's genuine
I'm pretty sure Ray would add it. In fact, I'll xpost this to there.

well, I don't know how "genuine" it is actually, but it doesn't seem to
be something recent. A current thread on there was started by an aioe
user (four years ago...)

There is also misc.misc, and I think years ago there
used to be a newsgroups simply called general.

FWIW, the control message
-------------------------

From ***@dragon.acadiau.ca Mon Jan 2 23:02:37 1995
Control: newgroup alt.anything
Newsgroups: alt.config
Path:
uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!dragon.acadiau.ca!dragon.acadiau.ca!015780m
From: ***@dragon.acadiau.ca (Glen Malley)
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything
Message-ID: <***@relay.acadiau.ca>
Originator: ***@dragon.acadiau.ca
Sender: ***@relay.acadiau.ca
Nntp-Posting-Host: dragon.acadiau.ca
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 06:39:00 GMT
Approved: ***@dragon.acadiau.ca
Lines: 5
Xref: uunet control:1544548


From ***@ultra.net Tue Jan 3 00:18:55 1995
Path: uunet!news.ultranet.com!usenet
From: ***@ultra.net (Joe Provo)
Newsgroups: control
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.anything
Control: rmgroup alt.anything
Date: 3 Jan 1995 05:19:34 GMT
Organization: There is no cabal.
Lines: 5
Approved: ***@ultra.net
Message-ID: <3eamp6$***@remus.ultranet.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: romulus.ultranet.com
Xref: uunet control:1544645

- duplicates misc.misc [or alt.flame, depending upon your POV]
- creates useless top-level heirarchy
- broken control message [wrong groups, no desc, etc]
- not discussed in alt.config

From ***@smudge.oro.net Tue Jan 3 01:56:27 1995
Path:
uunet!newshost.marcam.com!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!oro.net!smudge.oro.net!smj
From: ***@smudge.oro.net (Scott Jennings)
Newsgroups: alt.config
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.anything
Control: rmgroup alt.anything
Date: 3 Jan 1995 06:49:00 GMT
Organization: "oronet, Penn Valley, CA"
Lines: 20
Approved: ***@oro.net
Message-ID: <3eas0s$***@ag.oro.net>
References: <***@relay.acadiau.ca>
NNTP-Posting-Host: smudge.oro.net
Xref: uunet control:1544785

not discussed in alt.config
creates new unneeded top level alt heirarchy
ambiguous name
joke group
created without comment

Post by David Dalton
Control: newgroup alt.anything
Newsgroups: alt.config

oro.net!news.sprintlink.net!pipex!uunet!newsflash.concordia.ca!nstn.ns.ca!dragon.acadiau.ca!dragon.acadiau.ca!015780m

Post by David Dalton
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything
Nntp-Posting-Host: dragon.acadiau.ca
Organization: Acadia University
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 06:39:00 GMT
Lines: 5

From ***@netcom.com Tue Jan 3 23:00:24 1995
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything
Path:
uunet!news.sprintlink.net!news.gdbnet.ad.jp!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tomservo
From: ***@netcom.com (Tom Servo)
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything m
Message-ID: <***@netcom.com>
Control: newgroup alt.anything m
Approved: ***@netcom.com
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: 04 Jan 1995 03:56:08 GMT
Lines: 10
Xref: uunet control:1547302

Any group that isproposed here between 12/28/94 - 1/3/95 I WILL CREATE!
This is the time to get those newsgroups started that the alt.config
elitists would never start for you! ANYTHING proposed will be created
begining with my next logon.

Tom Servo

--
\"I do not have a beard, but my brother does.\"
--- Jim Collier

From ***@netcom.com Tue Jan 3 23:44:45 1995
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything
Path:
uunet!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!news.starnet.net!wupost!udel!news.sprintlink.net!news.gdbnet.ad.jp!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tomservo
From: ***@netcom.com (Tom Servo)
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything m
Message-ID: <***@netcom.com>
Control: newgroup alt.anything m
Approved: ***@netcom.com
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: 04 Jan 1995 04:32:25 GMT
Lines: 10
Xref: uunet control:1547415

Any group that isproposed here between 12/28/94 - 1/3/95 I WILL CREATE!
This is the time to get those newsgroups started that the alt.config
elitists would never start for you! ANYTHING proposed will be created
begining with my next logon.

Tom Servo

--
\"I do not have a beard, but my brother does.\"
--- Jim Collier

From ***@oro.net Wed Jan 4 10:55:00 1995
Path:
uunet!pipex!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net!oro.net!not-for-mail
From: ***@oro.net
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything,alt.anything.ctl
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.anything
Control: rmgroup alt.anything
Approved: ***@oro.net
Message-ID: <***@echo.oro.net>
Date: 04 Jan 1995 15:48:10 GMT
References: <***@netcom.com>
Lines: 36
Xref: uunet control:1548809

(in response to: newgroup alt.anything by ***@netcom.com
<***@netcom.com>)

not discussed in alt.config
creates new unneeded top level alt heirarchy
ambiguous name
joke group
created without comment

The original article had these discrepencies:
Unknown Link: news.sprintlink.net!news.gdbnet.ad.jp
Unknown Link: news.gdbnet.ad.jp!howland.reston.ans.net

The original article was:
------------------------------------------------------------

Post by David Dalton
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything

oro.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gdbnet.ad.jp!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tomservo

Post by David Dalton
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything m
Control: newgroup alt.anything m
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: 04 Jan 1995 03:56:08 GMT
Lines: 10
Any group that isproposed here between 12/28/94 - 1/3/95 I WILL CREATE!
This is the time to get those newsgroups started that the alt.config
elitists would never start for you! ANYTHING proposed will be created
begining with my next logon.
Tom Servo
--
\"I do not have a beard, but my brother does.\"
--- Jim Collier

From ***@oro.net Wed Jan 4 11:45:37 1995
Path: uunet!sunrise.gv.ssi1.com!oro.net!not-for-mail
From: ***@oro.net
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything,alt.anything.ctl
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.anything
Control: rmgroup alt.anything
Approved: ***@oro.net
Message-ID: <***@echo.oro.net>
Date: 04 Jan 1995 16:39:00 GMT
References: <***@netcom.com>
Lines: 36
Xref: uunet control:1548956

(in response to: newgroup alt.anything by ***@netcom.com
<***@netcom.com>)

not discussed in alt.config
creates new unneeded top level alt heirarchy
ambiguous name
joke group
created without comment

The original article had these discrepencies:
Unknown Link: news.sprintlink.net!news.gdbnet.ad.jp
Unknown Link: news.gdbnet.ad.jp!howland.reston.ans.net

The original article was:
------------------------------------------------------------

Post by David Dalton
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything

oro.net!news.sprintlink.net!news.gdbnet.ad.jp!howland.reston.ans.net!ix.netcom.com!netcom.com!tomservo

Post by David Dalton
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything m
Control: newgroup alt.anything m
Organization: NETCOM On-line Communication Services (408 261-4700 guest)
X-Newsreader: TIN [version 1.2 PL1]
Date: 04 Jan 1995 04:32:25 GMT
Lines: 10
Any group that isproposed here between 12/28/94 - 1/3/95 I WILL CREATE!
This is the time to get those newsgroups started that the alt.config
elitists would never start for you! ANYTHING proposed will be created
begining with my next logon.
Tom Servo
--
\"I do not have a beard, but my brother does.\"
--- Jim Collier

From ***@monolith.mit.edu Wed Jan 4 14:44:29 1995
Path:
uunet!newshost.marcam.com!news.kei.com!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!senator-bedfellow.mit.edu!news.mit.edu!algeo
From: ***@monolith.mit.edu (vv)
Newsgroups: alt.config,alt.anything.ctl
Subject: cmsg rmgroup alt.anything
Control: rmgroup alt.anything
Followup-To: alt.config
Date: 04 Jan 1995 19:44:47 GMT
Organization: Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology
Lines: 9
Approved: ***@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu
Message-ID: <***@monolith.mit.edu>
NNTP-Posting-Host: monolith.mit.edu
Xref: uunet control:1549519

This is in response to yet another bogus newgroup message from
the Mad Newgrouper, ***@netcom.com, or from one of the naive
newcomers who fell for his spiel.

--
Melissa Algeo
***@ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu
***@monolith.mit.edu

[Sn!pe]

sticks <***@charter.net> wrote:

[...]

"This is in response to yet another bogus newgroup message from
naive newcomers who fell for his spiel."

That says it all, thanks, sticks.

[followup back to e-s.talk]

[Adam H. Kerman]

Post by sticks
FWIW, the control message
-------------------------
Date: Tue, 3 Jan 1995 06:39:00 GMT
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything
Control: newgroup alt.anything

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This was the original newgroup message. There was no Newsgroups file
line and no charter.

It was rmgrouped, in the days in which various people sent rmgroups
based on quality of discussion in alt.config (This had none) and quality
of the newgroup message (which was in poor form).

Note the resurrection newgroup message from the tomservo bot. These were
sent after rmgroups.

Post by sticks
Date: 04 Jan 1995 03:56:08 GMT
Subject: cmsg newgroup alt.anything m
Control: newgroup alt.anything m

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Note that this time the newgroup was sent with the moderation flag set.
That, of course, wouldn't have allowed anyone to post without a
moderator if it were created locally unless the News administrator
allowed self approval.

Another resurrection newgroup followed, again with the moderation flag
sent, with additional rmgroups.

Yeah, various people didn't take the making of newgroup proposals seriously
in alt, and other people came along to make things worse.

[J. P. Gilliver]

Post by Kyonshi

Post by Sn!pe
Please add alt.anything [xposted from e-s.talk]

[]

Post by Kyonshi

Post by Sn!pe

nah, it exists, I think I get it from Solani.

Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests. If it's genuine
I'm pretty sure Ray would add it. In fact, I'll xpost this to there.

well, I don't know how "genuine" it is actually, but it doesn't seem to
be something recent. A current thread on there was started by an aioe
user (four years ago...)

Ah, apologies - it's probably my fault that that thread seems "current";
after someone mentioned that NG (here, I think) I took it out of
curiosity, and had responded (facetiously) to that aioe post before I
remembered that my newsreader brings in a lot of old posts when I take a
'group I haven't taken before.

[Kyonshi]

Post by J. P. Gilliver

Post by Kyonshi

Please add alt.anything    [xposted from e-s.talk]

[]

Post by Kyonshi

nah, it exists, I think I get it from Solani.

 Then the OP should request it in e-s.grouprequests.  If it's genuine
I'm pretty sure Ray would add it.  In fact, I'll xpost this to there.

well, I don't know how "genuine" it is actually, but it doesn't seem
to be something recent. A current thread on there was started by an
aioe user (four years ago...)

Ah, apologies - it's probably my fault that that thread seems "current";
after someone mentioned that NG (here, I think) I took it out of
curiosity, and had responded (facetiously) to that aioe post before I
remembered that my newsreader brings in a lot of old posts when I take a
'group I haven't taken before.

That's ok, I just used it to determine that it wasn't a new group